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Four Masters Speak on Learning the Flamenco Guitar
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Here are the observations of four guitarists dealing with what it takes to learn to play the flamenco guitar.
by
Paco Sevilla
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RODRIGO ON LEARNING TO PLAY THE FLAMENCO GUITAR
(From an interview by El Chileno; Jaleo, June 1981)
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Rodrigo, who unfortunately passed away abruptly at a
young age in 1996, had some unique and helpful insights into one
approach to learning flamenco. And he certainly had the
qualifications. As a teenager in California, he was obsessed
with learning to accompany the cante, using recordings of
Melchor de Marchena and Manuel Morao as his models. When he went
to Spain he was able to accompany anything thrown at him. He
chose Ronda as his home base, which, in spite of that city being
off the beaten path of flamenco, turned out to be a wise
decision. As the only guitarist around, he was soon much in
demand among the local singers, both amateur and professional.
During a two-year period he devoted thousands of hours to
accompanying singers in all-night parties, gypsy fiestas, small
clubs, and peñas. He appeared in small town
contests of cante, where he would accompany up to fifteen
singers in a single night. He spent an additional year in the Málaga
area accompanying gypsy rumba singers in bars, or in the
pubs of Torremolinos. He worked in a tablao in Nerja with
the dancer Caraestaca, and in the tablao once owned by La
Repompa de Málaga. He lived in Algeciras, supported by
the local peña, which had him accompany their
singers every night. Then he worked in a tablao in La
Linea. Finally, he began to appear in festivals, accompanying
such popular figures as El Turronero and Curro Lucena. With
Curro Lucena he cut a record for the Belter label. Only then did
he return to the USA with his Spanish wife and begin to focus on
solo playing. Here's what he had to say about learning flamenco
(although he refers to an era somewhat different from today, I
think there is still some relevance for today's aspiring
flamencos):
"It
all depends on what you want to study. For singing, I can't
really comment on that. It is something that happens to our
vocal cords when we are little. They develop in a certain way.
There has to be a reason why only Andalusian people can sing
flamenco. Germans, French, Italians, Americans can all sing
opera in Italian, but the only people in the world who can sing
flamenco are certain people from Andalucía. It might be a
plumber, an ice-cream vendor, whoever—they'll sing you a fandango
that no one in the world can sing. It makes you wonder whether soleares
might be more difficult than what Pavarotti sings! So for the
singing I don't know. There have been some Americans who have
tried, but I think it is basically a language thing.
"As
far as dancing goes, the opportunities seem to be great. You can
study in Madrid. If you get good enough, there are all kinds of
foreign people working in tablaos. American or Japanese
people who are learning how to dance have opportunities that are
much better than what the best dancers in flamenco history had.
Carmen Amaya—who taught her? As they say, she watched the
waves rolling in at the beach. In those days people didn't go in
and study for two or three years with a maestro like you can do
nowadays. They say El Farruco was dancing on the banks of the
river when he was ten years old! Who the hell taught him?
"Either
you've got it or you don't. If you've got it, you'll get it, you
will learn itcAnd if you really want to learn it, you will
eventually find a way to get good at it. And you will suffer the
way I did to get to work in a tablao. You'll do it for
free and every day you will get better. And if you don't give
up, some day you will be a good dancer. It doesn't work like
some people say, eI'll go to Spain for two months and I'll get
to be a good dancer.' No, even the good people there have had to
struggle to get a steady job and to keep it. The last time we
were in Spain, just before coming home, dancers in the tablaos
were being paid 400 pesetas [about $6], much less than
they were being paid ten years ago—and those are the
really good people who know how to dance!
"As
for the guitar, I think my advice is just like with the singing
or dancing: If you want to learn to do flamenco the right way
then plan on at least a good ten years of learning it little by
little. That will give you plenty of time to learn it. After
those ten years you'll be playing flamenco. You'll pick up some
in the States, pick up some in Spain, at parties, get a job, and
little by little it will all take form. But our mentality is to
go buy a book and in six months you think you are doing it. No,
it takes a good ten or fifteen years to get it all together,
maybe even twenty years to put all the pieces together. If you
live in Spain for a while, you'll pick it up. A lesson here and
there, practice, listen to recordings, and you'll get it all
together, you'll learn it. There is no quick method.
"Here
is what I am going to do with my two sons if they want to play
the guitar. Before they get into anything, I'll have them learn
to accompany old-style records. I'll have them learn how to
imitate Melchor de Marchena or Diego del Gastor and people like
that, and teach them how to accompany La Fernanda. After that
they can learn from El Camarón and get ready for whatever
else might happen. But you shouldn't begin with Camarón
because you'll have missed the whole thing. You have to start
from day one, from the beginning of flamencocthat's the only
way you'll learn how to play. You see, Paco de Lucía
knows how. He can sit down andcI'm sure that one day he played
tientos like Manolo de Badajoz with La Niña de los
Peines. He didn't sit down and start playing Paco de Lucía
falsetas when he was five years old! You have to begin
with the old style and learn the compás and then
work your way up. Anybody who starts with Paco de Lucía,
or the Habichuelas, or someone like that will have missed a lot,
because all of these new styles of playing are throwing out a
lot of it, are skipping a lot of the old compás.
But they know it's there because they knew how to play it when
they were little. That's why they are able to play and
understand the new so well.
"You
go to Spain and you get off the plane and you are in Málaga
and you walk into a bar with your guitar. You know, you could go
into a bar—there are certain barrios where you can go in
with your guitar and start playing if it's not too late at
night. You might get a couple of people to sing for you. And
they'll invite you over for dinner. Then you'll get two more
people to sing. That's the way to start, that's what I would do.
I would go into a small bar in Sevilla or Málaga, pick up
my guitar and start playing. I might get kicked out, or I might
meet somebody who could sing and he'd take me over to his house
where I'd meet another person, and another person, and then
years later I might be a good flamenco player. I would have had
a lot of jobs, and I would know how to accompany everything, and
I would have lived in Spain as a Spaniard would, and I might
even become a great flamenco player. That's how to do it.
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SABICAS
ON LEARNING TO PLAY THE FLAMENCO GUITAR
(From
an interview by El Niño Chileno; Jaleo, April
1981)
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[Sabicas
was asked to elaborate on his statement that in order to be a
good soloist you must first accompany dancers for twenty years
and singers for another twenty. Many top guitarists have
supported the essence of this assertion, from Juan Habichuela
and Paco de Lucía to Tomatito and Vicente Amigo. Here is
how Sabicas explained it.]
"The
flamenco guitar, as I said on one of my records, represents
three careers in one. The way it used to be, the guitarist never
rehearsed with the dancer. If she told him, for example, to play
epor alegrías,' he could do it with his back to
her if they each knew what needed to be done. Nowadays, dancing
is very different. Now they tell you, here you do a falseta,
here you end, and so on. That makes it different. So, your first
career is playing in a cuadro flamenco for twenty years,
for everyone who dances—naturally, without rehearsing!
Singing may be even more difficult. You have to emeasure' the
singer's voice, to determine at what speed he sings. There are
some who sing slowly, and if you play too fast he will
drown—and vice versa. You have to play exactly the way
each person sings; this is very difficult. And then, of course,
[when you play solo] you must play correctly, epor derecho"
as we say. Each one of these phases takes twenty years. Now,
there are some who take less than sixty years and think they can
do it in thirty or fifteen. And there are those who play well
for the cante but not for the baile, or well for
the baile but not for the cante. There are those
who are corto [have a small repertoire] or largo
[have a larger repertoire]. To be complete and well rounded,
however, is very difficult. To know all there is to know in the
flamenco guitar is very difficult indeed.
"You
must go to Spain. That is where it is, and you must immerse
yourself in it. Otherwise, you may have good fingers, good
technique, but to play the true flamenco, in compás,
you must go to Spain. There is no other way. For anything that
has to do with flamenco you must go to Spain and get into a good
cuadro for two, three, four, or five years. In that way
you can become a good artist and have the knowledge you need.
Otherwise it is very hard, and I do not think you can ever make
your mark.
"There
are some muchachos who play very well, but as I said,
without the ambiente it is very difficult. Without ambiente
you cannot do flamenco. A guitarist by himself, playing only
what he wants, may have the fingers and the talent, but alone he
cannot do it. He needs the ambiente, the palmas,
the singing and dancing. Every single day. That helps very much.
Nevertheless, one must admire their dedication because it is
really admirable. There are some who go to Spain. They want to
work, even for free. The same for the Japanese. They go to Spain
and they get into a cuadro flamenco. They want no money.
They just want to learn. That is really admirable.
[You must practice]cas much as possible. The more the
better. Nowadays, the way things are in the world, one does not
have enough time. Normally, though, two hours in the morning and
two hours in the evening should be enough, but no less than
that. And you must do everything. You cannot do just one thing,
because you will improve on that but the rest will suffer. You
should do fifteen minutes of picado, tremolo fifteen
minutes, arpeggios another fifteen minutes, thumb work another
fifteen minutes. After one hour, then you should go over
whatever you think you need. But never practice one thing more
than others unless you have fallen behind on that. If everything
is equally good, then fifteen minutes to half an hour of each
should be sufficient.
"There
are some guitarists who have constant fingernail problems. They
break them often, and not necessarily from playing too much. I
just do not know why. Maybe it is the way they strum or tap.
There are others who use their fingernails too much while
playing. That is not good technique, because they do not play
with seguridad or strength. The fingernail should be as
short as possible, almost at the level of the flesh, maybe just
slightly longer. That is enough. You will have more security and
perhaps your nails will not break as often."
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PRACTICE
AND PICADOS
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(Miguel
Ángel Cortés is from Granada (born 1972) and the
younger brother of well-known guitarist Paco Cortés; he
has won awards in competition, has been accompanist for
Mariquilla, Manolete, El Güito, and Carmen Linares, and he
has an album, Patriarca; he was interviewed for the
Spring 1997 issue of The Journal of Flamenco by Giovanni
Ricciulli)
When
I am on tour I don't have time to study because of contacts with
people, rehearsals, and the changes of routine. But if I am in
Granada and I have to study seriously, say for a contest, I can
spend a couple of months practicing for eight to ten hours each
day. Under normal conditions I only study two or three hours in
the morning and three or four hours in the afternoon. Then I go
outside for a stroll.
Many guitarists strive to improve their picados by
forcing their hand flat along the guitar top because they have
seen Paco do it. It becomes somewhat of an obsession. When I was
younger it caused me many problems, too, trying to force myself
into that position. Fortunately, the advice of maestros such as
Sabicas made me realize that if it isn't the natural way of
holding the hand, then copying Paco is a foolish thing to do.
I keep my fingers straight. My brother does, too. In
fact, many guitarists keep their fingers straight and achieve
speed. Take Marote. Aren't his picados fast and powerful?
Yet he kept his fingers straight because he felt natural that
way.
My best advice is that the picados must be done
without arrastrar [dragging the fingers from string to
string]. You must alternate fingers when you switch strings.
Otherwise scales will turn out messy and irregular.
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GUITAR
TECHNIQUE TODAY
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(from:
"Honored Traditions: Progressive Directions," an interview with
Pedro Cortés, hijo, by Greg Case in The Journal
of Flamenco Artistry, Fall 1996)
"Technically,
the flamenco guitar is probably the most complex in the world
today. In flamenco it used to be that even mediocre guitarists
could play [professionally]. Today, if you are mediocre you
really cannot play. Today, to be able to play and survive you
can't just do a couple of rasgueados here and a couple of
alzapúas there and get away with it. You just can't.
Today you must have the technique to play and there is nothing
you can do to get around it.
"Some
people who take flamenco as a hobby don't realize how
sophisticated it has become. To play well takes time and
dedication. You can learn, but it takes dedication. It's not
sitting home for a half an hour practicing a rasgueado or
a simple paso de bulerías or sevillanas for
a dance class. Anything really advanced requires a lot more and
it won't happen without practice. If you want to play flamenco
you can do it, but you have to dedicate the time and work hard
at it. If you can understand something easily and play it fairly
easily, that's really cool and you accept it because you can do
it. But if you are dealing with Paco de Lucía's complex,
intricate technical harmonies, then you won't like them as much
if you can't play them in two seconds. You'll have to spend
precious hours really listening and learning them, and if you
don't understand them you won't be able to play them and you are
not going to like them. You've got to work! And that goes for
all of us. Chuscales gets up at eight in the morning, picks up
the guitar and starts practicing. And if I don't pick up the
guitar for two days, I won't be able to play like I want to. No
way! With experience you can invent ways of getting around
without practicing, but your chops won't be there. You simply
have to dedicate the time.
"Today's
flamenco guitar generation takes for granted that practicing ten
or fifteen hours a day is required just to be able to play. The
next generation will probably lay down a minimum standard
of technique like Paco de Lucia's. When today's kids become
young men, playing with Paco's technique and knowledge of
harmony will probably be nothing unusualcFlamenco has become a
very highly sophisticated art form, whether you want to admit it
or not. I'm not saying it is necessarily evolving for the
better. It may even be evolving for the worse. But for better or
worse it has gone from a tiny little space where it was
performed for a few to where it is presented on the most
renowned and prestigious stages in the world."
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copyright ©
Paco Sevilla
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